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When you start playing the extreme-velocity game, you can find yourself skating on thin ice. As other said you will have a tough time finding a 140 gr long range style bullet that will work in a 1/9 twist. Let’s dive right in. is a bit hotter and shoots a heavier bullet than the 6.5 Rem. However, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether the .264 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest elk. Out of Stock × Out of stock. We have three other primary assumptions being made here. word-break: normal; I read an article in North American Whitetail when I was a kid about a guy in NE. 2017 late season Utah elk. font-weight: normal; border-width: 1px; } } Mag. M. Mac284338. Campfire Regular. The 6.5 Creedmoor will, for all practical purposes, perform with the.264 Win. Unless you can train as a sniper time and money wise...your initial intuition was correct. vertical-align: top padding: 10px 5px; Mac284338. Using a 140 grain bullet, it is a FINE elk gun. I personally like the 6.5/06 with a 25" bbl I approach the 264 win. background-color: #efefef; 2506. border-color: #656565; We have a variety of deals on Rifle Ammo, Handgun Ammo, Shotgun Ammo & Rimfire Ammo, as well as ammo for target practice, plinking, hunting, or shooting competitions. In this case, the average weight of an adult male elk is approximately 720 lbs. Shot placement is key, but that goes without saying. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. I used a 140-grain Berger VLD with a BC of .627 to take a red stag in New Zealand at 289 yards. It will drive this 120gr TSX bullet completely thru an elk even at an acute angle. text-align: left; Nov 8, 2020 #99 David Emerson Well-Known Member. The 1958 release of the .264 Winchester Magnum in the Model 70 Westerner rifle, with its 26-inch barrel, saw a flat-shooting, hard-hitting voluminous case, perfect for deer, elk and more. border-spacing: 0; border-style: solid; As for the 264 Win Mag, just start with loads listed in your reloading manuals and go from there because there's no guarantee that what works in another fellas rifle will work in yours . The 300 yard figures are 2,326 fps and 1,682 ft. lbs. They’re also seeing disintegration of light, thin-jacketed bullets at extreme velocities. Taken two with 140 Partitions, and one with 120 TTSXs. } As with anything, the devil is in the details. .tg .th-lmno { >>>> very well said szihn ! .tg .tg-xhut { Posts: 707. Though the 264 Win Mag wouldn't be my first choice for elk, it will work. That would be one to try on a .264 Win. text-align: center; Mag. Mag. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The round was intended to be a capable performer on large Western deer and elk. Timr245 Very Active Member. Jul 21, 2016 585 395 Northcentral PA. Oct 9, 2019 #21 JimP said: Elk are hard animals to kill at times. The .264 Win. What about the other assumptions? No longer is it relegated to being a barrel burner since we have a few excellent powders to use which allow for a longer, more productive life. The increase in large capacity 6.5s the past few years have shown that very well be true. vertical-align: top } Serious elk, moose, kudu hammer. Better stainless steel helps, too! Winchester engineers created the .264 Win. , for deer and elk these two cartridges 257 & 264 do kill these animals fast. I have never been on an Elk hunt in the US (sure would love too), but from my experience, if a 270wsm can do the job on 1500lbs + moose, I’d say that a 264 win mag should fill the bill as well. The 264 win mag has sufficent power for elk but am not familiar with the hunting properties of the Berger bullets. Given today’s mania over all things 6.5mm, the 264 Winchester Magnum should be a top performer in these long-reach hunting rifles everyone seems to covet. I’ve been looking for someone who is using 129 ablr in a 1:9 twist .264WM. They build pressure before you utilize all the case capacity. Prev. border-color: #656565; What is the average muzzle energy for a .264 Winchester Magnum? NorthIdontknow. 264 Win Mag, anything above 120gr. Please feel free to agree, disagree, and share stories from your own experience in the comments section below. Thus, a caliber that is effective from 50 yards may not have enough stopping power from 200 yards. border-color: #656565; background-color: #333333; In this case, we have assumed the average muzzle energy for a .264 Winchester Magnum round is approximately 2770 foot-pounds. word-break: normal; Since various 6.5's using a bullet like the Barnes 6.5 120gr TSX has proven to be effective on elk it seems reasonable to assume that out of a 264 it will fly faster & flatter. I'm glad you finally succumbed to the draw of the .264 Win. vertical-align: top Book data for the 264 Win Mag is of very poor quality. We’ve used 270wsm, 308win, 7mm mag, 30-06 and 300 win mag and all of dropped them effectively and cleanly with a variety of bullets. My 12 year old son running the camera. font-size: 18px; Leave the .338 Lapua etc. font-weight: bold; A broadside lung shot can be taken with most softpoint bullets. Of course those stories exist, and they are not disputed here. 140 grain bullet at 3,200 fps will work fine on Elk and even Moose, although I would prefer something a bit heavier for the heavier boned Moose. I've had a hankering for a 264 Win Mag for a long time. Thread starter Prerylyon; Start date Aug 1, 2019; Forums. Mag. Look into 129 LRAB, 130 AB or a partition. The kinetic energy of the projectile drops dramatically the further downrange it travels primarily due to energy lost in the form of heat generated by friction against the air itself. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. This belted magnum cartridge bests the 6.5 Creedmoor by about 400 fps. Because it sports a 6.5 mm projectile, the .264 Win Mag utilizes the superb ballistics of the 6.5 mm family of bullets to wring out impressive performance. }. (673 Remington Guide Rifle) on Whitetail this year. text-align: center You hit it where you should and there won't be any issues. border-collapse: collapse; Winchester and Remington used to load the 140 grain bullet to a MV of 3200 fps and ME of 3180 ft. lbs. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories Shipping Information. border-color: black; What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a elk in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. Campfire Regular. You can launch a Hornady 95-grain V-Max to 3,500 fps and the Hornady 160-grain round nose to 2,800 fps. That said, the .375 Ruger is awesome too. 26 Nosler is an example of a case that can’t reach its potential, poor design IMO. The most common .264 bullet is the 140-grainer. That is to say, we assume the elk being harvested is shot directly or nearly directly in the vitals (heart and/or lungs). Mag. The second important assumption is ‘slightly-suboptimal’ to ‘optimal’ shot placement. font-family: Arial, sans-serif; The .264 Win. Current factory ballistics show a 140 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,030 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 2,854 ft. lbs. Apr 9, 2013 #5 With that short 24" barrel the first place to look for a good load is in the Sierra loading manual because that is what they used for the work up on the 264 Win Mag. They will stabile and kill elk. I'll be using my new 6.5 Remington Mag. 3400+ from a 24" Bbl. border-width: 1px; The.264’s rifle partner was … Distance, of course, plays an important role in the viability of a given caliber in elk hunting. of energy. It may not display this or other websites correctly. That is the problem with the 6.5 that are way over bore. 140 nosler partition, woodleigh,135 federal, put it where it needs … 1 … Go to page. When the OP asked about the effectiveness of the 264 mag on elk it means a "6.5 bullet" at a certain velocity delivered to the elk. Gear Used: T/C Encore in a 264 Winchester Magnum, 140 gr Remington Corelokt, Leupold Scoce 3.5-10x50 VX-3. A common thread you may encounter in online forums is anecdote after anecdote of large animals being brought down by small caliber bullets, or small animals surviving large caliber bullets. to those guys that make a living with them and stay in shape to ENJOY CARRYING 15 LBS AROUND. font-size: 18px; I'd like to hear your experiences with the .264 Win Mag for elk. First, the average bullet weight is encapsulated in the average muzzle energy for the .264 Winchester Magnum. That’s like stepping from a 308 Winchester to a 300 Winchester Magnum in performance improvement. I've been using my .264 Win Mag on elk for the past few years too. border-color: #656565; Shot placement is much easier for a hunting weight rifle 8-91/2 lbs in .264 WinMag than a .3xx Rumchester Mag for the vast majority of us hunters. only a 300 win mag with custom target bullets will push it for distance. Can you tell me what kind of accuracy you are getting and any load specs that are working gor you? Go. JavaScript is disabled. That gun has more than enough juice! I know there are better bigger options but this is my rifle I am most familiar with. I personally hunt elk with the .300 Win Mag, but lots of people use the 7mm Mag and it’s also a GREAT choice. Factory ballistics for the .264 Mag. } but again the 264 is the king ol long range . What is the average weight of an adult male elk? Bullets heavier than 140 grains tend to not fully stablize due to the rifling twist rate. font-size: 14px; The article stated he used a 264 Win Mag and that it was a cartridge a head of its time. Here we have leaned conservative by taking the average weight of a male individual of the species, since females generally weigh less and require less stopping power. .264 Win Mag on Elk. have been toned down from the original offerings. The.264 Winchester Magnum is a powerful, fast killing, highly effective medium game cartridge and does so out to long ranges. The Reloading Bench. We offer cheap ammo and bulk ammo deals on the most popular ammo calibers. If you follow book data, your Win Mag will run about … A 22LR cartridge can fell a bull elephant under the right conditions, and a newborn squirrel can survive a 50 BMG round under other specific conditions. In the question of “Is the .264 Winchester Magnum within the ideal range of suitable calibers for elk hunting?” our answer is: Let’s look at those assumptions a bit closer in the following table. LRH Team Member. Posts: 707. I've dropped 3 elk and one of those is my Picture to the left with my 257Bee with 117 GR Sierra SBT all over 300 yds and one shot did the trick, that 264 Win Mag will do it even better than the 257Bee. border-color: black; You must read and understand your own local laws before hunting elk to know whether your caliber of choice is a legal option. Then they necked it down from .308 to .264 and chambered it in a version of the M70 bolt-action rifle they called the Westerner. Sounds like a great idea to me. It does so with less recoil, 15 to 20 grains less propellant, and about three times the barrel life. It works very well using 140 Nosler Partition. The 264 mag with one of the ultra slow powders will drive the Barnes 120gr TSX at 3450 to 3500fps from a 26" Bbl. .tg .tg-sklq { border-style: solid; The 264 winmag is just a little behind the 7mm remmag. However, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether the .264 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest elk. What is the distance this species is typically hunted from? 264 Win Mag, 658 yards. the 264 win mag actually has more energy that the 308. } Countless Elk have been taken with the.264 and game of this size should be considered the common sense upper limit when working to the.264’s strengths. font-size: 18px; .tg .tg-4q2i { Our website lists special deals on 9mm Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 45-70 Ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, 300 Blackout Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 5.56 Ammo, Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore Ammo and more special deals on bulk ammo. overflow: hidden; To get the full utility of the 264 winmag, you need the full 26 inch barrel. My deal is I have an opportunity to go kill an ELK and my on hand options are a 264 win mag that shoots the 100 gr bullets very good, Or a 300 WSM.. OK fire away.. FryeGuy. 6; 7; 8; First Prev 8 of 8 Go to page. Disclaimer: the information above is purely for illustrative purposes and should not be taken as permission to use a particular caliber, a statement of the legality or safety of using certain calibers, or legal advice in any way. 264 Winchester Magnum, Bolt Action, 26", Exhibition Grade AAA Maple Gloss Stock, P... Hinterland #: 74992; MFG #: 535218229; Availability. Comments have to be approved before showing up, © 2021 Foundry Outdoors - All Rights Reserved, Product successfully added to your Shopping Cart, 223 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 243 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 25 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 300 RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, 7mm RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, .264 Winchester Magnum for Elk Hunting? 264 win mag for elk? A .264 Win. Again, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether .264 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest elk - and to this question, the response again is yes, the .264 Winchester Magnum is A GOOD CHOICE for elk hunting. As others have said, careful bullet choice and careful shot placement are the keys to making it work. With the current industry-wide climate, please allow for 10-14 days of processing time before shipment. You must log in or register to reply here. Flat-Rate Shipping. Go. The Great Debate: What is Your Favorite Caliber? which to many of us is very similar to a 264 win.mag. While Winchester and its massive marketing machine held much sway in the industry, the idea of shorter 2.500-inch case (in comparison to the 2.850-inch case of the .375 and .300 H&H Magnums) wasn't exactly … You are using an out of date browser. This phenonemon is known as drag or air resistance. However if a bullet must break bones and penatrate at an angle I have learned only a few bullets have the capability to preform CONSISTANTLY. Joined Jan 1, 2020 Messages 1,083 Location Drayton,ND. And it is! You should be able to run it around 3100 with Retumbo. This article does not serve as the final say, but simply as a starting point for beginner hunters, as well as a venue for further discussion. Do be aware that some magnum 6.5 shooters are reporting extreme copper fouling with some bullets. overflow: hidden; To answer the question completely, we would need to evaluate the downrange distance to the elk, the bullet type, the grain weight of the bullet, the physical condition of the firearm, the size of the elk in question, the shot placement, the local wind conditions, the expected accuracy of the shooter, the ethics of the ideal maximum number of shots – the list goes on. Just like the title says is it a good choice. our crew all use nosler partitions and swift a-frames bullets out of our 257 weatherby mags. We offer a 100% Authenticity Guarantee on all products sold on our website. Still working on a 130 Accubond load, but it's my intent to use those this year on a cow elk hunt. BP-B2 Re: .264 Win Mag for elk [Re: vapodog] #12716757 03/13/18: Joined: Aug 2012. So there’s the .264 Win Mag’s edge: higher retained velocity, more expansion and greater tissue destruction. With that said, we have assumed the average hunting distance for elk to be approximately 200 yards. The third assumption is that a projectile with appropriate terminal ballistics is being used, which for hunting usually means an expanding bullet. Announced in 1958, the.264 and.338 Winchester magnums hit the market in 1959 amid one of the biggest media blitzes the industry had seen. font-weight: bold; font-size: 18px; .tg { .tg td { Mag., like many magnum rounds, can wear out barrel throats more rapidly than lower pressure and lower velocity non-magnum cartridges, especially when fired rapidly, which heats up the steel and hastens throat erosion. text-align: center; Thread starter Whitetails45; Start date May 14, 2020; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . Both were introduced in “new” versions of Winchester’s beloved Model 70. I figure it'll work at least as well as my old .25-06. Is the .264 Winchester Magnum a viable caliber/load/round/cartridge for elk hunting? Prev . I’ve killed 3 elk with the 129 LRAB. 100 grain bullets are for deer. Foundry Outdoors is your trusted home for buying archery, camping, fishing, hunting, shooting sports, and outdoor gear online. The good old 140 Nosler Partition is the bullet I would use. One of these is the Nosler Partition. font-size: 14px; Please email us if you have questions about any of our product listings. M. Joined: Aug 2012. Go. Mag. Oct 19, 2010 #9 The last elk I shot was at 298 yards (rangefinder), with a .264 WM, using 120spt by sierra. Best Ammo (Round, Load, Cartridge) for a Successful Elk Hunt. The accurate answer is “it depends”. The trajectory is not quite as flat with the .375 as it is with the 7mm or .300, but it will fit the bill nicely out to 300 yards or … .tg .tg-hwi9 { Regardless of the brass case behind the bullet. The .264 is versatile, too. Mag. color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; padding: 10px 5px; background-color: #efefef; It can be an exceptional cartridge when you finally get past all the bad press it received initially from the poor choices in powder availability. 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